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2 78 Late Imperial Roman

Page history last edited by Rob Brennan 13 years, 5 months ago


 

Version 2.0 Lists

400AP, Eastern 380AD by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

C-in-C (Richomere) Reg Bd(O)
7 x Reg Bd(O)
4 x Reg Ps(O) supports
4 x Reg Ax(S)
4 x Reg Ps(O) supports
4 x Reg Ps(S)
8 x Irreg Wb(O)
2 x Reg Art(F)

Sub-Gen (Stilcho) Reg (Cv(O)
1 x Reg Kn(X)
2 x Reg Kn(F)
2 x Reg Cv(I)
6 x Reg Lh(O)

Sub-Gen (Victor) Reg Cv(O)
1 x Reg Kn(X)
2 x Reg Kn(F)
4 x Irreg Lh(S)
2 x Reg Lh(F)

Baggage 6 x Bge(F)

Version 1.1 Lists

200AP, Western by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

Late Imperial Roman (Western)

C-in-C (Constantine the Great) Cv(O) (Brilliant, ha!)
4 x Bd(O)
2 x PS(O) supports for Bd
6 x Ax(S)
6 x Ps(O) supports for Ax
2 x Ps(S)
2 x Art(F)

Sub-Gen 1 Cv(O)
2 x Cv(O)
1 x Cv(I)
2 x Lh(O)

Sub-Gen 2 Cv(O)
2 x Cv(O)
1 x Cv(I)
2 x Lh(O)

Version 1 Lists

400AP by Lawrence Greaves

CinC LH(S), 5xIrr LH(S), 10xReg Ax(S), 10xReg Ps(O) supporting the Ax: 24 ME. High Dice

Sub Cv(O) 4xReg Cv(O), 2xReg LH(O), 2xReg Ps(O), 1xReg Art(F), 10xReg Bd(O), 4xReg Ps(O) supporting the blades. 24 ME. Low dice.

Sub Cv(O), 3 x Reg Kn(F), 2 x Reg LH(O), 2xReg Bw(O), 1xReg Art(F). 15 ME. Middle Dice.

Army baggage 6xReg Bg(O) deployed behind the Bd.  12 ME.

Army total 75 ME.

This command structure was designed for the previous draft of the rules. I think it would be better with command baggage now. It is ages since I have used this army, so I'm not sure I was using the best tactics.

400AP, Constantius II Inert, DBMM lists by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

Sub-Gen 1 (Trajanus) Reg Cv(O),  2 x Reg Bw(I), 2 x Reg Bw(O), 2 x Reg Ax(S) plus 2 x Reg Ps(O) supports, 1 x Ax(O), 4 x Reg Cv(O), 3 x Reg Lh(O), 1 x Reg Lh(F) and 2 x Irreg Lh(F)

ME 24.5, Disheartened 6.6, Broken 8.5, Shattered 12.5

 

C-in- C (Constantius II Inert) Reg Bd(O), 7 x Reg Bd(O) plus 4 x Reg Ps(O) supports, 4 x Reg Ax(S) plus 4 x Reg Ps(O) supports, 4 x Reg Ps(S), 12 x Irreg Wb(O)

ME 30, Disheartened 8.0, Broken 10.5, Shattered 15.5

 

Sub-Gen 2 (Ursicinus) Reg Cv(O), 4 x Reg Bw(O), 2 x Reg Ax(S) plus 2 x Reg Ps(O) supports, 1 x Ax(O), 6 x Reg Kn(X), 3 x Reg Lh(O), 1 x Reg Lh(F) and 2 x Irreg Lh(F)

ME 32.5, Disheartened 8.5, Broken 11.0, Shattered 16.5

Baggage train 6 x Bge(F)

ME 3, Disheartened 1.0, Broken 2.0, Shattered 2.0

 

400AP, Eastern, DBMM lists by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

 

Late Imperial Roman (Eastern) 360AD

C-in-C (Constantius II Inert) Reg Bd (O) ME: 36, Disheartened 9.5, Broken 12.5

7 x Legionarii Reg Bd (O)

4 x Legionarii Archers Reg Ps(O)

8 x Auxilia Palatina Reg Ax(S)

8 x Auxilia Archers Reg Ps(O)

4 x Skirmishers Reg Ps(S)

12 x Gothic Foot Irreg Wb(O)

Sub-General 1 (Trajanus) Reg Cv(O) ME: 23.5, Disheartened 6, Broken 8

2 x Clibanarii Reg Kn(X)

2 x Equites Reg Cv(O)

3 x Equites Illyricanii Reg Lh(O)

1 x Equites Sagittarii Reg Lh(F)

2 x Equites Sagittarii Indigenae Irreg Lh(F)

2 x Auxilia Palatina Archers Reg Bw(O)

2 x Pseudocomitatensis Sagitarii Reg Bw(I)

1 x Pseudocomitantensis Auxilia Reg Ax(O)

Sub-General 2 (Ursicinus) Reg Cv(O) ME: 27.5 Disheartened 7, Broken 9.5

4 x Clibanarii Reg Kn(X)

2 x Equites Reg Cv(O)

3 x Equites Illyricanii Reg Lh(O)

1 x Equites Sagittarii Reg Lh(F)

2 x Equites Sagittarii Indigenae Irreg Lh(F)

4 x Auxilia Palatina Archers Reg Bw(O)

1 x Pseudocomitantensis Auxilia Reg Ax

Train

6 x Baggage Mules Reg Bge(F) ME:3, Disheartened 1, Broken 1.5

Total ME: 90, Army Break 45.5

400AP, draft DBMM lists by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

Late Imperial Roman (West)

C-in-C command- 1 x Cv(O) (C-in-C), 8 x Bd(O), 4 x Ps(O) supporting Bd(O), 16 x Ax

(S), 8 x Ps(O) supporting Ax(S), 4 x Ps(S) Total 39ME, 10 ME disheartened, 13.5 ME broken,

20 ME shattered.

 

Sub-Gen 1 Command- 1 x Cv(O) (Sub-Gen), 3 x Cv(O), 3 x Lh(O), 1 x Lh(F)

Total 14 ME, 4 ME disheartened, 5 ME broken, 7.5 ME shattered.

 

Sub-Gen 2 Command- 1 x Cv(O) (Sub-Gen), 2 x Kn(X), 3 x Cv(O), 3 x Lh(O),

1 x Lh(F) Total 18 ME, 5 ME disheartened, 6.5 ME broken, 9.5 ME shattered.

 

Train 6 x Bge(O), 7 x TF 1 ME disheartened, 1.5 ME broken, 2 ME shattered.

 

5AP for strategems

 

Total Army ME: 74

Army Break Point: 37

 

Nearly 400AP, DBM Lists by Ivan the Roman

Note: This list is a few AP short.

(all regular save the Foederati):

 

CinC CvO;  (Roman 1)

 4 iKnF, 1 rKnF, 1 CvO, 4 BdO, 4PsO

21ME + 6 Army Bg = 24ME, Disheartened 6 ME, Broken 8 ME

 

SubG LHS;  (Roman 2)

2 LHS, 8 WbS, 4 BdO, 4 PsO, 1 ArtO

21ME + 6 Army Bg = 24ME, Disheartened 6 ME, Broken 8 ME

 

SubG CvO;  (Roman 3)

12 AxS, 4 PsS, 6 PsO

21ME + 6 Army Bg = 24ME; Disheartened 6 ME, Broken 8 ME

 

Train; (Roman 4)

3 ArtO, 6 Bg

3ME + 6 Army Bg = 6ME;  Disheartened 1.5 ME, Broken 2 ME

 

Army 78 ME, Break 39 ME.

 

400AP, DBM Lists by Sean Smith

 

first command I had

4 LH(O) and a CV(O) general

4 Ax(O) with Ps(O).

6 Kn(X)

 

Second command

8 Bd(O)

2 Art(F)

4 Ps(O) 

2 Cv(O) and a Cv(O) general

 

third command

6 Ax(S)

6 Ps(S) 

4 LH(F)

a Cv(O)

 

400AP, DBM Lists by Peter Barrett

Command 1 (21 ME):

C-in-C (Brilliant Stilicho)

8 Bd (O)

8 Ps

2 LH (O)

 

Command 2 (24 ME):

Sub

2 Kn (F)

2 Cv (O)

3 Irr LH (S)

2 LH (O)

4 Ax (S)

4 Ps

 

Command 3 (21 ME):

Sub

4 Cv

4 LH (O)

4 Ax (S)

4 Ps

 

Stratagems: Flank Attack, Change Deployment.

400P, DBM Lists by Tony Dennis

CinC,Cv O, 3 Kn X, some Ps - this was strictly illegal, beacuse Tony had attached the army baggage to this command, to make it 'positive'

5 Bg O, 1 Art O in defended camp.

 

SG Cv O, 12 Bd O, 2 Bw O, 6 Ax S, 3 Ps O, 4 Ax S, 2 Ps O

 

Sg, 5 Cv O,4 LH o, 2 Lh F, 4 Ax O, 2 Ps O

 

Armenian AG Kn X, 2 Kn X, 4 Ax O, 4 Bw I, 4 LH F

 

Eastern, 360AD, Constantius II (Inert), 349AP, Draft DBMM Lists by Adrian Coombs-Hoar

Total Army ME: 76, Army Break Point: 38 ME

Commands-

Constantius II (Inert) Cv(O) (Left side)

12 x Wb(O)

16 x Ax(S)

8 x Ps(O), supporting the Ax

8  x Bd(O)

4 x Ps(O), supporting the Bd

4 x Ps(S)

Total ME: 44, Disheartened 11.5 ME, Broken 15 ME, Shattered 22.5 ME

 

Sub-Gen B (Ursicinus) Cv(O) (Center)

4 x Kn (X)

1 x  Cv(O)

2 x Lh(O)

1 x Lh(F)

Total ME: 18, Disheartened 5 ME, Broken 6.5 ME, Shattered 9.5ME

 

Sub-Gen A (Trajanus) Cv(O) (Right side)

3 x Cv(O)

2 x Lh(O)

1 x Lh(F)

Total ME: 12, Disheartened 3.5 ME, Broken 4.5 ME, Shattered 6.5 ME

 

Train

4 x Bge(O)

6 x Tf (Ditch & Palisade)

Total ME: 2, Disheartened 1 ME, Broken 1 ME, Shattered 1.5 ME

 

400AP Late Imperial Roman 361AD (Eastern) DBMM

Constantius II had been raising an army for a proposed attack on the Sasanids. Towards this end he made contact with the Goths with a view to them providing him with troops for his invasion force. The army list below is my version of  what this army may have looked like, at a 400AP scale.

 

C-in-C- Cv(O) (Constantius II, Inert)

8 x Bd(O) Legionarii, 4 x Ps(O) Legionarii Archers (Formed in two legiones comprised as 4 x Bd(O) & 2 xPs(O) per legione)

16 x Ax(S) Auxilia Palatina, 8 x Ps(O) Auxilia Archers (formed in eight auxilia units comprised as 2 x Ax(S) & 1 Ps(O) per auxilia unit)

4 x Ps(S) Skirmishers

12 x Wb(O) Gothic Foot

Total Command ME: 45, Disheartened 11.5 ME, Broken 15.5 ME, Shattered 23 ME.

 

Sub-General 1- Cv(O)

4 x Kn(X) Clibanarii

1 x Cv(O) Equites

2 x Cv(I) Border Alae

3 x Lh(O) Equites Illyricani

1 x Lh(F) Equites Sagittarii

2 x Lh(F) Equites Sagittarii Indigenae

Total Command ME: 24, Disheartened 6.5 ME, Broken 8.5 ME, Shattered 12.5 ME.

 

Sub-General 2- Cv(O)

3 x Cv(O) Equites

3 x Lh(O) Equites Illyricani

1 x Lh(F) Equites Sagittarii

2 X Lh(F) Equites Sagittarii Indigenae

Total Command ME:14, Disheartened 4 ME, Broken 5 ME, Shattered 7.5 ME.

 

Train Command

6 x Bge(O) Camp

7 x TF Ditch and Pallisade

Total Command ME: 3, Disheartened 1 ME, Broken 1.5 ME, Shattered 2 ME.

 

Total Army ME: 88, Army Break Point: 44 ME

 

 

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